Curse

Day Trooper · Sep 29, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Ok - ANet recently changed UW to prevent party-wipes due to reaper deaths after completing 10/10 quests. Great job!

HOWEVER, this issue is still not quite resolved, as the party can still wipe after completing 10/10 quests if either (a). the Ice King dies or (b). the npc spirits in the 'escort of souls' or 'imprisoned spirits' quests die.

So the problem ANet tried to fix by making the reapers invulnerable after completing 10/10 quests - is not entirely fixed.

This becomes very apparent if the last quest you complete is 'Servants of Grenth' in the Ice Wastes. Unlike other quests - (if this is the last one you complete) you can't just go to the Labrynth and get the end-chest when this quest completes - as the dryders will proceed to the Ice King and kill him - thus causing the party to be booted out of UW. This means that whoever is doing this quest can't get the end-chest until they kill off ALL the terrorwebs - in which time someone can either (a). go off and get the Ice King killed or (b). teleport to the Bone Pits and purposely kill the npc spirits there by the reaper - and thus cause the person still doing the Servants of Grenth quest to not get their end-chest reward. This seems completely wrong to me.

Or, if others in the group want to solo-farm after completing 10/10 quests, I still see folks intentionally either get the Ice King or the npc spirits killed, thus causing the rest of the group to be kicked out of the Underworld. Again - does this make sense?

ANet - please also make the Ice King and the npc-quest spirits invulnerable, too, after completing 10/10 quests in UW!

Joe Fierce · Sep 29, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Day Trooper

[in which time someone can either (a). go off and get the Ice King killed or (b). teleport to the Bone Pits and purposely kill the npc spirits there by the reaper - and thus cause the person still doing the Servants of Grenth quest to not get their end-chest reward. This seems completely wrong to me.

or you can just not run with d-bags that'll go off and purposely cause a wipe.

Darkobra · Sep 29, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

or you can just not run with d-bags that'll go off and purposely cause a wipe.

You can tell that pre-emptively?

A11Eur0 · Sep 29, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

I'd much rather have it so you have to actually KILL the dryders for the quest to complete. As it is now, all you have to do is tank and survive them until the second group pops, then the quest resolves. If the reaper and ice king were to be invulnerable then, you'd be able to map away. thing is...the quest is specifically ABOUT protecting the ice king and the reaper. If you could tank 6 dryders, pop 6 more, then teleport away to get your UW end chest...it would be a cheap stupid quest.

If you didn't play with assholes who screw up other peoples' playing experiences, you wouldn't have these problems. Guild groups ftw.

/notsigned. it's how it's supposed to be.

SmokingHotImolation · Sep 29, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

/signed.
Why not go all the way eh? They changed it in the first place to prevent douchebags from ruining other peoples run, so they should definately also do this.

Day Trooper · Sep 29, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

or you can just not run with d-bags that'll go off and purposely cause a wipe.

Wow - I'm sure glad ANet doesn't think like you! Perhaps - this is why they recently made the reapers invulnerable? To avoid the exact scenario you just described??

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

You can tell that pre-emptively?

Exactly!

romeus petrus · Sep 29, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

/notsigned.

UW is easy enough the way it is, HM in 13 min. Dont get the king killed. Nuff said.

Xsiriss · Sep 29, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

UW in 13mins HM? At least boast believably

Day Trooper · Sep 29, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

I'd much rather have it so you have to actually KILL the dryders for the quest to complete. As it is now, all you have to do is tank and survive them until the second group pops, then the quest resolves. If the reaper and ice king were to be invulnerable then, you'd be able to map away. thing is...the quest is specifically ABOUT protecting the ice king and the reaper. If you could tank 6 dryders, pop 6 more, then teleport away to get your UW end chest...it would be a cheap stupid quest.

Please read what I said.

First off, the Ice King (and the npc-quest spirits) would only become invulnerable AFTER 10/10 quests completed. The reapers already becomes invulnerable after 10/10 quests completed. Why not the Ice King and the npc-spirits too?

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

If you didn't play with assholes who screw up other peoples' playing experiences, you wouldn't have these problems.

What a crap comment. So - I guess you have some magical aura which allows you to know ahead of time who would kill Ice King/spirits? Please share!

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Guild groups ftw.

Not everyone can (or wants) to do UW just with guildies!

Day Trooper · Sep 29, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

UW in 13mins HM? At least boast believably

I've been on a 13 minute HM run - so yes very doable

Also I've seen screenies of an 11 minute run - and my guildies claim to have recently done a 10 minute record run!

Xsiriss · Sep 29, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Really!? How is this done, I mean this is just like VS farming speed...

Day Trooper · Sep 29, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Really!? How is this done, I mean this is just like VS farming speed...

It can be done that fast BUT it takes a lot more skill and coordination than VS runs do to pull it off.

Here's a guide though on how it works:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10303481

Xsiriss · Sep 29, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Cheers man, I shall abuse it so.

MisterB · Sep 29, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Protecting the Ice King and the NPCs in "Escort of Souls" is a quest requirement. If they die, even after completion, you have failed to protect them, and you should not be rewarded.

/notsigned

Day Trooper · Sep 29, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Protecting the Ice King and the NPCs in "Escort of Souls" is a quest requirement. If they die, even after completion, you have failed to protect them, and you should not be rewarded.

/notsigned

Protecting the Wastes reaper is a requirement of the Ice King quest too! But he becomes invulnerable once 10/10 quests is completed.

Why? To prevent doobers from killing reapers and selfishly preventing other party members from getting end-chest rewards. The Ice King and the NPCs should be no different in this regard!

SmokingHotImolation · Sep 29, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

/notsigned.

UW is easy enough the way it is, HM in 13 min. Dont get the king killed. Nuff said.

Still dont change the fact that stupid people will ruin your run and thereby wasting your time. Also, this wouldnt make the run easier in any way, nor make the achieved times any faster.

A11Eur0 · Oct 02, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Day Trooper

Please read what I said.

First off, the Ice King (and the npc-quest spirits) would only become invulnerable AFTER 10/10 quests completed. The reapers already becomes invulnerable after 10/10 quests completed. Why not the Ice King and the npc-spirits too?

What a crap comment. So - I guess you have some magical aura which allows you to know ahead of time who would kill Ice King/spirits? Please share!

Not everyone can (or wants) to do UW just with guildies!

1: if ice wastes is the last quest, then again all you need to do is tank the dryders for 2 minutes then everything's invulnerable.. Run to collect quest reward under SF, port to vale, don't even need to kill webs. Don't see why you wouldn't...they drop ecto too.

Not a magical aura, just I only play with people I know.

If you don't like playing with people you know, be prepared for griefers.

MirkoTeran · Oct 02, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

/notsigned. Might as well just add WIN button to interface... There really isn't much need to game easier now.

Mordiego · Oct 02, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

make UW even easier? are U mad? this thread is a fail as all others that encourage making underworld a non-elite elite area.

therangereminem · Oct 10, 2008, 04:58 AM // 04:58

ok so they changed uw so the reapers cant die after all 10 are complete , they wont die, but im still getting screwed outof the chest,

i want to make a poll for them to change it so none of the souls(vale nor pits) and ice king can not die once all 10 are done.

im sick of having me and friends not get chest becuz of a noob running off killing the ice king or pits